Andrii Kokorin, 52, och hans fru Mariia Borysova, 39, kommer aldrig att glömma dagen då de träffades. De höll på att restaurera ett gammalt kloster tillsammans i Ukraina - Andrii som snickare och Mariia som konstnär. 

"Jag gav dig min hand och du gav mig din.", säger Andrii. "Och jag insåg att det var kärlek." 

I dag bor paret i Storbritannien efter att ha flytt kriget i Ukraina tillsammans med sina fyra barn, Mariias föräldrar och deras älskade hund Rosie. Familjen tvingades lämna sitt hem och sitt företag som tillverkade barnmöbler och körde i fem dagar till Bulgarien. Där bodde de hos en vän till familjen i två månader innan de slutligen godkändes att få komma till Storbritannien. De bor nu tillsammans med sin värdfamilj Clara i Farnham, en stad sydväst om London. Här bygger de nu upp sina liv igen, men de hoppas på att en dag få återvända till Ukraina.

När Andrii och Mariia tvingades fly från sitt hem i Ukraina kunde de bara ta med sig några få saker, men de bar med sig så mycket mer till sitt nya hem i Storbritannien: förhoppningar och drömmar, erfarenheter, traditioner och familjehistorier, motståndskraft och beslutsamhet.

Se när Andrii och Mariia intervjuar varandra om att fly, deras familj och de förhoppningar och drömmar som de har burit med sig under hela resan.

Internationella flyktingdagen

Följ oss inför årets Internationella flyktingdag för att ta del av fler konversationer om flykt mellan generationer där de ställer varandra frågor och delar med sig av sina förhoppningar och drömmar.

Titta på fler konversationer och få reda på vad du kan kan göra för att stödja flyktingar

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Videoutskrift

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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Well, two of your questions?

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First two questions of mine, then yours.

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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Where are your questions [inaudible]?

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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Gorgeous.

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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Ah, may I?

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Do you remember how we met?

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Sure. I'll never forget it.

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You changed my life.

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I was working in a monastery, and a group
of artists came to us to paint the monastery.

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I was in charge of the construction site
and we were going by each other for nine months.

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One day, the priest suggested making
the stonework of the floor more sophisticated

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and decorate it with mosaics.

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And that was the moment when you came along.

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This was our first co-project.

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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Do you remember how we met?

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Sure. It's impossible to remember... to forget that.

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I'll remember it for a lifetime.

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I was restoring the monastery, and some
artists came to us to paint the walls.

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And you were one of them. Passing by for nine
months, you didn't notice me, I didn't see you.

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And one day the priest suggested

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making the stonework of the floor
more sophisticated and add mosaics to it.

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That was the moment when you came along.

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And we did this project together.

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Yes.

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The first project we did together.

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Do you remember how you felt
when we first met?

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Of course. Unforgettable.

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We went by van to pick out
the stones for those mosaics,

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you sat down next to me, and,
by some divine providence, I gave you my hand,

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and you gave me yours.

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And I realized it was love.

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What is your happiest memory
of our life together?

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In Ukraine?

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In Ukraine.

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Well, this is, of course, our acquaintance
you've just told me about,

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the births of our four children,
Asya and the boys.

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Every day it was...
every time it was like a miracle.

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Two of them were born in Kyiv,
two in Kharkiv.

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And now, of course, I recall
a lot of those things,

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that we didn't appreciate when we were there.

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I think of our house, our apartment
in the center of Kharkiv.

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Thank God it's intact now,
but it's empty, there's no one there.

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There's our stuff lying there
the way we left it, the beds spread out,

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when we ran away from home
in the morning of the 24th.

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Our garden, the place where our parents lived...

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now this territory is under occupation.

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I'm very... those memories,
they come whether I wake or sleep.

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And do you remember how you felt

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when we were running our business together?

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Yeah, that was great, that was...
as soon as we met,

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we started figuring out
what we could do together,

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how we can combine our talents.

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You, as an inventor, carpenter, constructor,

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and I, as an artist, a designer.

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What we could do together,
we had all kinds of ideas.

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And for five years we had our joint project,

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our children's furniture design studio.

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We started making furniture
for our own children,

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and then for other children in Ukraine.

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And we have a lot of clients who trusted us

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to furnish their kids' rooms.

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It was a very interesting project,

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and I hope that someway we can
keep it going, bring it back to life.

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Because, of course, it all ended
when the war started.

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All – the studio was left in Kharkiv,
all the equipment.

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We left, and, of course,
we didn't take anything with us.

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But I hope we have some perspective,

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But, most important, we have ourselves
with our mutual understanding and skills.

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And we'll definitely do something together,
like we always do.

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Names.

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So, my question, right?

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Do you remember when we decided
to get out of the country, to leave Ukraine?

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Names.

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[OOV] Wait.

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"How did you choo…"

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[OOV] A few more questions.

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Yeah, now, wait a moment.

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"Remember how we chose
the kids' names?"

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[OOV] Yes, first of all, kids in the beginning.

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Ah, OK.

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[OOV] Then they added...
about leaving Ukraine.

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They know that men are not allowed to go out...

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Yeah, and explain.

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[OOV] Yes, say why your husband managed to leave.

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OK.

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[OOV] Yes.

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"When did we decide
to leave Ukraine and how..."

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[OOV] And in this question, yes.

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Yep.

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[OOV] Tell us how you managed to...

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I will, yes, I will.

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[OOV] And then let's get back
to the kids.

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Okay, yes, I missed it then.
Now, I can't figure out where it is.

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"Do you remember how we chose
the kids' names?"

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Remember how we chose names for our kids?

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Of course. Every one of them,
as if it were today.

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Asya was the first, and we
unanimously decided to name her after her grandma,

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your grandmother Asya,
who passed away so suddenly.

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Unfortunately, I never got to meet her.

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I remember when we decided to name Petro Petro.

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He was born on the holiday.

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Because he was born
on St Peter and Paul's Day.

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And I remember it was so hard to choose
whether we would name him Petro or Pavlo.

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We felt a bit uncomfortable with St Peter
because we decided to name him Pavlo.

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With St Paul.

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With St Paul because
we decided to name him Petro.

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Still, it was Petro.

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I remember we decided to name
our second son Yuri, after my dad,

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who also passed away before his time,
and you never got to meet him.

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And I remember the joy we had

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exactly five years after Petro was born,

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when our third boy was born
on the same day, on the same holiday,

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and there was no longer
any doubt as to his name.

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There was no doubt.

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And we named him Pavlo
after this great saint.

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This is our family's little story.
A little family miracle.

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Do you remember how...
when we decided to leave Ukraine?

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And how worried were we about
which of us would go and who would stay?

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Yes, I do remember.

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It was not known until the end
whether I could leave Ukraine,

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being a father of four children.

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I wasn't sure if I could leave
the country legally.

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But it was how you felt
that decided everything.

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Those panic attacks that you
and our eldest daughter started to have.

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That constant terror, constant fear that
something might happen to the children.

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And that was probably the moment when
we decided to leave the country after all.

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We were going, not knowing if you could go,
or you'd come back and we'd go ourselves.

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I was really scared because I cannot drive,

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you were driving, and thank God we did it.

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Yes, that was the question
until the last moment,

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right up to the moment we crossed the border.

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And when we were crossing it, they took
my certificate of a father with many children,

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and they said, "You can leave,"
and I remember how happy you were,

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that I could go on with you.

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I think our main task was to save our children,

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to preserve their lives, health,
and mental health,

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because the situation in Ukraine
was very destructive.

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But I was ready to return to Kharkiv, even
if they wouldn't let me out, you know it.

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It's good to have you with us.

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There, I… [inaudible]

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How hard was it? How hard was it
for you to decide to leave Ukraine?

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Well... First we all thought we could
wait it out,

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that it would end quickly,
or it wouldn't be so scary,

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that, as the Russian government said,
civilians would not suffer.

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But this was not the case, because
Kharkiv is very close to the border,

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it was more damaged in the early stage
than the other places.

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And I felt scared waking the kids up
every time,

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so that they would go to the basement,/Nto the shelter several times a night.

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That was the most horrifying thing
I've ever experienced.

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So the first chance we got,
when we realized we had to leave,

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It was scary, but it was the right decision,
and I didn't doubt it for a minute.

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It was probably easy to leave,
but very sad and scary.

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I keep losing track of where we are.

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"How did you feel when we left Ukraine?"

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Yeah. And here's another one.
"What do you remember from your trip?"

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Go ahead.

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[OOV] You've missed one.

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"How were you feeling when...?"

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Uh-huh.

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How did you feel when we left Ukraine?

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Oh, that was a strange feeling.

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Bitterness, on the one hand,
and great joy on the other,

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that our children will finally
feel a little safer.

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That you won't have
those creepy fears anymore.

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Mixed feelings.

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I was very happy that we managed
to leave in two cars

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with our parents and even with our dog,
our Labrador Rosie.

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Yes.

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Because the animals also suffered
a lot in this situation.

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Many people couldn't take
their animals.

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And those dogs tied up
next to the train station,

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that people couldn't take with them
on the train, they were just not allowed.

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That was terrible.

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Do you remember our trip to Bulgaria?
It took us five days to get there.

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Yes, it was awful,
especially the last two days.

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A 12-hour queue at the border.

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22.

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22? I remember that I was going
with my brain on autopilot

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I slept for five minutes, woke up,
and drove another 10 meters,

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I fell asleep again, woke up again,
and so on ad infinitum.

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The last kilometers were
especially difficult for me,

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When we had already crossed the border
with Bulgaria, we crossed Romania...

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We crossed the border into Bulgaria,
and a snowstorm started.

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Remember that snowstorm
when we almost got lost in the snow?

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Snowfall. Yes.

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And we couldn't afford to stop.

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It was nighttime, we were in the Bulgarian
mountains, and that snow all around,

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And we are breaking through, like...
per aspera.

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And that was probably
the brightest moment I remember.

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Asya, our eldest daughter,
had a fever of 39 and was sick,

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because it's five days on the road,
and it's cold and...

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It was a hard, hard ordeal.

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I prayed that our old car, the minibus,
would not break up and drive us there.

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The Lord is merciful – we did it.

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It did it.

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Yes, we did it.

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Can I have some water? [inaudible]

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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How did you feel when we got to the UK?

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I guess it was the first time I felt it,

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that feeling of home in those two months.

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I don't know why – because
in Bulgaria I was feeling

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that we are at a crossroads,
that our journey is not over yet.

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And when we finally got our visas,

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got on the plane, flew in, and got off,

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met our wonderful family,
our sponsor Clara –

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amazing woman, amazing family she has, –

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I felt a kind of relief.

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It felt like, I don't know why,
that we were home.

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Though it's a temporary home,
we'll be fine here.

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When did you feel most welcome
in the UK?

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Oh, I can't stop feeling it every day.

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But probably the first thing was
when we got to our apartment

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that became ours for those six months.
We stepped in – everything was thought out...

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With so much love.

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With so much love, yes.

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Toothbrushes prepared
for us and our children,

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beds laid out, lots of toys.

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Yura, who couldn't sleep until 2 a.m.
and came to us and...

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...was playing Lego.

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And it all gave a sense of home, yes.

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and gratitude for all the hospitality
we have received.

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Smiling people in the street
still amaze me.

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And I feel like I'm at home

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and it's just some relative of mine
walking and smiling at me.

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I feel this hospitality every day.

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A lot of support from strangers.

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And they want to hear our story
and lend a helping hand somehow.

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It's just amazing. I feel it, too.

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Do you remember that lady
we met next to St. Andrew's Church?

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Who just started talking to us
about the situation in Ukraine and

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that we and all four of our children
had to run away, started crying?

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And it's amazing how much these people...

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What a big heart they have.

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Yes, a big heart to perceive it that way.

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Yes, I am very grateful to the UK
for sheltering us...

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for giving us a true home.

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Thank you.

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Masha, please tell me about your paintings
related to the war in Ukraine.

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Well, yes, all my works
painted before the war,

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They were left in my art studio in Kharkiv.

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And now that this situation started,

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I can't watch movies or listen to music.

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I'm just beginning to see
some normalcy in my life.

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And I also can't draw something abstract.

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A beautiful landscape or
some kind of sketch, just for fun.

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I really wanted to express
the storm of emotions,

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so many feelings,
more than ever in my life.

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In fact, I couldn't draw for a month.

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But one day I saw a picture of a woman,
a mother, all covered with wounds.

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She had 25 small fragment wounds.

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She was at home breastfeeding
her two-month-old daughter.

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at the moment when a shell
or a fragment hit their apartment.

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And she covered her child with herself.

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The baby was unharmed, without a scratch,
and she was, like, very...

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Cut all over.

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Hurt. Wounded, yes,
and she got operated afterwards.

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And when I saw a picture of her,
the way she was sitting,

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holding her baby, she reminded me
of the Virgin Mother.

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There was so much grief, love, triumph,
so many different feelings in her eyes.

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And that's when I got able to paint
and painted her portrait.

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Well, the second portrait was of Asya,
our 14-year-old daughter,

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who also perceived all these events
very intensely.

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We live in the eastern region, in Kharkiv,

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where Russian is often spoken historically,

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and you and I speak Russian
in our family, too.

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But our children already know more,
it's easier for them to be bilingual.

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And now Asya wants to...
she switched to Ukrainian language

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and studies the history of Ukraine.

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She has such a great inspiration,
such patriotism born in her.

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Well, not just her – all of us, of course.

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But she, at her age, is the most receptive.

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So I drew a portrait of her
in modern clothes, but on her arms,

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right there, where there is usually a pattern
on the Ukrainian embroidered shirt

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she has tattoos just like an embroidery.

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I had the feeling that, first off,
she grew up really fast,

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and secondly, she somehow...

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the whole situation hurt her deeply.

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But I think she's all right and the feelings
she's having right now,

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they bring up a human in her.

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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Yes?

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Okay.
Me again.

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You again. Now, wait, let me take breath.

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What are your hopes for our family's future?

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It's a hard question because
we weren't preparing for war,

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And this situation, it got us off the rails.

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When we had plans, right?

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Asya wanted to go to a theater university,

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the boys attended their sports clubs,

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we were working in our studio,
everything was clear.

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Now everything is unclear.
Sometimes I feel like I'm in a movie.

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I mean, all of a sudden, I'm in London now.

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And I look at myself a little bit from the outside.

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It's hard for me to imagine
what's going to happen next.

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Of course, all of us are hoping
that the war will be over.

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We wait for it, every day we wait
for this madness to stop.

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I guess we can't go back right away.

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Because it would be very difficult
to come back on the same day.

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But we hope, we look forward to it,
and we want to come back to our country.

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It's important to me. But I've decided
that I'm going to live for today.

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We're in the UK now, and we're fine here.

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And while part of our heart, of our soul
is with our friends and loved ones,

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that are in Ukraine, it's impossible
to live as if everything is fine.

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But for the sake of our children and
for the future that will come anyway,

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we are safe – that's the main thing.

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I think everything will be fine. We carry on.
We're together, that’s the most important.

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We can raise children and teach them.

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I want them to learn to be as polite
and kind as the English.

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Because we're in this environment
that's so... so... awesome.

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Real gentlemen.

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Yes. That's the main thing.

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So your question again, right?

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Yes.

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The subject of this year's
International Refugee Day is:

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refugees bring more
than they can take with them.

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What do you think it means?

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Well, I think that...

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I'll tell you as an artist: we can have some
kind of cultural exchange, it's interesting.

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I want our people, Ukrainians,
to be recognized

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as a truly free-spirited and strong nation.

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That's what we are.

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And I'm very glad that the whole world
stands with us

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and supports us.

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But we want to show our best side
so that our compatriots,

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could bring really good things to the table.

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Because we have interesting culture.

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On the artistic aspect, there are
a lot of amazing artists.

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I want to have a cultural exchange

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with English artists, to see what they do.

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So you think this is exactly
what the refugees bring

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to the countries they arrive in?

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I hope they do more good than bad.

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Well, people are different.
But I think we can...

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I can't say anything right now,
there's a lot of thoughts.

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I think that's it for this question.
I wanted to tell more, but...

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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[OOV] Start answering this question anew
if you like.

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If not, you can leave it as it is.

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It's an important question, I understand.

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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[OOV] Would you like to try again?

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Maybe you have something to say?

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[OOV] You answered perfectly.

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Really? All right, yeah. I'm sorry,
I had more on my mind.

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I can' t build up a thought right now.

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I think it's fine.

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Was that the last one?

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Yes.

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[inaudible backgr. talk]

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Bravo.

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Thank you.

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[OOV] Thank you. As I understood it...
[inaudible] the audience...

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I was the only one watching.

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I am so grateful to you for this, I have
no words. I've never met you in person...

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[inaudible]